Summerstory, failing?

Give or take a week ago, started playing here 'cause the server looked pretty good.

4 channels, nice population, and some friendly staff; and we can't forget the 1meso shops and skill maxing.

Over the last week Summerstory's declined a metric poop-ton, just thought as a player I might share what I've noticed.

We went from people using smegas for chatting or something useful to spamming whether or not they're sexy and badmouthing GMs. Also, I understand that for a donation of 50$ you can get some GM status, or so the front page says, I don't agree with it, but it keeps the server up. I do think that maybe the GMs should do a bit of research on commands etc like visiting www.ragezone.com and looking at some of the lists and finding out what this server allows use of.

Secondly, this banning for scrolling ordeal seems to be getting a bit out of hand, take the items out or increase the cost, instead of spamming on global and looking ridiculous, and having your player base not really understand that a GM has a different coloured chat and should be listened to for a reason.

Third off, I'd like to mention the lag. When I first started playing here a week ago there was no lag whatsoever, and there were 4 channels. Now there's 3 channels, some of the spawns are over-populated where it's good to level, and for the last 2 hours I've been hitting mobs with 2k health for over 30k damage because of the lag. Making it practically impossible to play.

Kinda' bugs me, I don't really wanna' look for another server. I mean, I understand the wipes come as it's a beta but the lag issue looks like it can be resolved to be honest.

Anyhow, just thought I'd chip in my two cents on what I've seen the week I've been here.

My point exactly. This server is going down the hill as time passes. I played alot of Private Servers, the ones I really enjoyed playing were LocalMS, J&N and eventually SummerMS. Local shut down, they got a court order and had to shut down. J&N is offline most of the time since the owner doesn't have the money to keep it up, and now this. This is one of the best servers I've ever seen and this shit's happening.

GMness through donations is RIDICULOUS! If an 8 year old kid steals his mom's credit card and donates $50, there you go, you're a GM now. I don't think one should be awarded a GM position just because he/she donated. A GM position is to be deserved, not bought. Practically 'selling' GMness results in bad GMs which ends up leading to a bad community. I'd write more and more about what you just mentioned, but I think I made my point clear in both this post and my thread.

whats shown below are just my two cents worth, if you feel offended in anyway, my apologies.

Firstly, the wipes occured because the server has been encountering problems. from the fake winter to all those gm hats and sunblock being sold for 1 mesos. everybody was pissed about it but we can't really help it. nobody is perfect, everybody has flaws. there seemed to be a flaw in coding, resulting in sunblocks being sold for 1 mesos. and someone (i shall not mention who for confidential purposes) went around telling other people about this, which eventually brought up cruze's attention. for the wipe today, from what i understand it was due to the database was fucked up (according to cruze) and therefore to reduce lag cruze wiped the server.

Secondly, the lag issue previously was caused by summoning bags, as new players(shall not use the word noob, it sounds rude) will buy summoning sacks and summmon a horntail head at random places. but they themselves could not kill it so they left it there, which caused severe lag. the lag today was due to the release of pirate job. as you might know, pirate scrolls are 1 mesos each. and cruze released pirate job today, resulting in nearly everyone rushing for this pirate job, to try it ou. as pirate scrolls were 1 mesos each, 90% of the pirates went on a scrolling spree and spammed scrolls. i've hosted a server before, and i know it pretty well. sending alot of scroll packs to the server at any point of time will just fuck the server upside down. therefore resulting the lag issue just now.

Thirdly, i'm not sure who ordered the ban of all scrollers, but i feel that gms should not be blamed, as they are merely following orders. no matter whether they got the gm via donating or cruze chose them, they definitely know what to do.

This is just my two cents worth, once again, if you feel offended in anyway, my apologies.

dahn00b wrote:whats shown below are just my two cents worth, if you feel offended in anyway, my apologies.

Firstly, the wipes occured because the server has been encountering problems. from the fake winter to all those gm hats and sunblock being sold for 1 mesos. everybody was pissed about it but we can't really help it. nobody is perfect, everybody has flaws. there seemed to be a flaw in coding, resulting in sunblocks being sold for 1 mesos. and someone (i shall not mention who for confidential purposes) went around telling other people about this, which eventually brought up cruze's attention. for the wipe today, from what i understand it was due to the database was fucked up (according to cruze) and therefore to reduce lag cruze wiped the server.

Secondly, the lag issue previously was caused by summoning bags, as new players(shall not use the word noob, it sounds rude) will buy summoning sacks and summmon a horntail head at random places. but they themselves could not kill it so they left it there, which caused severe lag. the lag today was due to the release of pirate job. as you might know, pirate scrolls are 1 mesos each. and cruze released pirate job today, resulting in nearly everyone rushing for this pirate job, to try it ou. as pirate scrolls were 1 mesos each, 90% of the pirates went on a scrolling spree and spammed scrolls. i've hosted a server before, and i know it pretty well. sending alot of scroll packs to the server at any point of time will just fuck the server upside down. therefore resulting the lag issue just now.

Thirdly, i'm not sure who ordered the ban of all scrollers, but i feel that gms should not be blamed, as they are merely following orders. no matter whether they got the gm via donating or cruze chose them, they definitely know what to do.

This is just my two cents worth, once again, if you feel offended in anyway, my apologies.

I don't mean to offend either, but did you read my post?

I never blamed GMs, I just said that they should make an effort to learn commands instead of asking the community because they don't know what they are, instead of taking the time to go and look.

I understood why the wipes happened, I never said I didn't, I also said it was fine and that it had to happen because it was a beta.

Also, I never commented on why the lag happened, I just said it was. There's probably a multitude of reasons, of which a few you covered.

Cruze ordered the ban of scrollers btw.

This post is too true and I feel the same way.

Thof wrote:

dahn00b wrote:whats shown below are just my two cents worth, if you feel offended in anyway, my apologies.

Firstly, the wipes occured because the server has been encountering problems. from the fake winter to all those gm hats and sunblock being sold for 1 mesos. everybody was pissed about it but we can't really help it. nobody is perfect, everybody has flaws. there seemed to be a flaw in coding, resulting in sunblocks being sold for 1 mesos. and someone (i shall not mention who for confidential purposes) went around telling other people about this, which eventually brought up cruze's attention. for the wipe today, from what i understand it was due to the database was fucked up (according to cruze) and therefore to reduce lag cruze wiped the server.

Secondly, the lag issue previously was caused by summoning bags, as new players(shall not use the word noob, it sounds rude) will buy summoning sacks and summmon a horntail head at random places. but they themselves could not kill it so they left it there, which caused severe lag. the lag today was due to the release of pirate job. as you might know, pirate scrolls are 1 mesos each. and cruze released pirate job today, resulting in nearly everyone rushing for this pirate job, to try it ou. as pirate scrolls were 1 mesos each, 90% of the pirates went on a scrolling spree and spammed scrolls. i've hosted a server before, and i know it pretty well. sending alot of scroll packs to the server at any point of time will just fuck the server upside down. therefore resulting the lag issue just now.

Thirdly, i'm not sure who ordered the ban of all scrollers, but i feel that gms should not be blamed, as they are merely following orders. no matter whether they got the gm via donating or cruze chose them, they definitely know what to do.

This is just my two cents worth, once again, if you feel offended in anyway, my apologies.

I don't mean to offend either, but did you read my post?

I never blamed GMs, I just said that they should make an effort to learn commands instead of asking the community because they don't know what they are, instead of taking the time to go and look.

I understood why the wipes happened, I never said I didn't, I also said it was fine and that it had to happen because it was a beta.

Also, I never commented on why the lag happened, I just said it was. There's probably a multitude of reasons, of which a few you covered.

Cruze ordered the ban of scrollers btw.

ok i understand now. thanks for sharing it with me.

why aren't there 1 meso shops anymore? The server was better when it was still v.55...

this WAS the best ps i have ever played...

but now its turning to shit T_T

and no offence to anyone but now ppl are starting to use smegas for stupid reasons..a week ago ppl use it for useful stuff T_T

what happened to the summerstory that i loved?

you guys if your gona complain go to another server. honestly complaining is just making it worse. and what are u guys critics. i would like to see guys run a server. But i am with you on the 50$ gm thing.

Cold, from the two posts I've seen from you on this matter, none of them are intelligent. Please, restrain yourself from posting these.

What the hell does that mean? We do nothing but complaining? What do you want us to do? The server was perfeclty fine some days ago, and then, all of a sudden, a bunch of people started coming around and fucking this shit up, what am I supposed to do? Sit and enjoy? And I know it bothers you too, it bothers everyone, but you're just much of an ass licker to be complaining too, you just want to look like a saint in front of other people that are higher in this hierarchy. Please visit a mechanic, your brain seems to be malfunctioning.

Cold wrote:you guys if your gona complain go to another server. honestly complaining is just making it worse. and what are u guys critics. i would like to see guys run a server. But i am with you on the 50$ gm thing.

Constructive criticism can only help the server. All of these complaints are valid and addressing them would only benefit the server and it's community.

i agree about the donation for GM.

if you still must have this, then can we please hire more GM's from applications?

Sicarii wrote:Cold, from the two posts I've seen from you on this matter, none of them are intelligent. Please, restrain yourself from posting these.

What the hell does that mean? We do nothing but complaining? What do you want us to do? The server was perfeclty fine some days ago, and then, all of a sudden, a bunch of people started coming around and fucking this shit up, what am I supposed to do? Sit and enjoy? And I know it bothers you too, it bothers everyone, but you're just much of an ass licker to be complaining too, you just want to look like a saint in front of other people that are higher in this hierarchy. Please visit a mechanic, your brain seems to be malfunctioning.

I'm sorry asshole, but honestly i realy think you should sit and enjoy because you cant do anything for the server. Are you gonna find the people who fucked up the server and say, Go fuck up another server? And i dont think im a fucking saint because i know this sever has lots of flaws im just not pointing them out because i dont want the gms to feel bad. Your more of an ass licker than me because all your doing is sitting on your ass playing maple. and if you have nothing else to do. Do something productive with your life instead of writing these stupid complaints to the gms. They know whats wrong. Plus its almost christmas so the gms are problably out with there freinds going to parties or staying with there families. I think you should visit a mechanic because you should get your brain checked for being a fucking asshole to the gms.



still with the 50$ thing...............

You see? that's the type of ass licking I'm talking about. You always there, protecting the supposed GMs... Get real, no one's going to 'like you more' because you stand up for them! People can defend theirselves, they don't need some kid to say 'fuck' and derivates all the time, and trying to act cool... This argue isn't leading me anywhere. It's useless to talk to people like you...

Oh, and by the way, I don't behave 'like a fucking asshole to the GMs', I simply point out what's wrong and how it should be fixed. I advise you to read some definitions and to investigate a bit on where humankind would stand right now if it weren't for critiques.

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So yeah, server's gotten even further progressively worse over the last day. The lag today was unbearable, it took me about 10 hours to hit 121.

I don't really see why it's lagging, apparently it was scrolls and smegas. Everyone has been using the non avatar ones, and the scroll vendor was closed. In all honesty, it's either the server can't handle that many players, or the core just is unstable. Either way, something has to be done.

Asianness said that if we wiped, and used a new core, downgrading to v61 that people would quit, no donations = no server.

imo, lag+noscrolls+lack of server work=no donations=lack of players=server down.

So, either way, you lose your server, why not attempt to fix it?

Let's put it this way. With 20-30 crashes a day, inability to log in, lag, and consistent ignorance from 3/4 of the player base, I think this is a faster course for a server dying, and in more than 30 games of pserving I've seen this happen far too often. If Cruze doesn't do something soon, instead of saying "blah lag" and bouncing off, I couldn't see myself donating, and a week ago I was seriously considering it. I'm sure I'm not alone. Having the head admin blah and logout over an issue which could be fixed, not really convincing me to donate to keep the server alive.

Thof wrote:So yeah, server's gotten even further progressively worse over the last day. The lag today was unbearable, it took me about 10 hours to hit 121.

I don't really see why it's lagging, apparently it was scrolls and smegas. Everyone has been using the non avatar ones, and the scroll vendor was closed. In all honesty, it's either the server can't handle that many players, or the core just is unstable. Either way, something has to be done.

Asianness said that if we wiped, and used a new core, downgrading to v61 that people would quit, no donations = no server.

imo, lag+noscrolls+lack of server work=no donations=lack of players=server down.

So, either way, you lose your server, why not attempt to fix it?

Let's put it this way. With 20-30 crashes a day, inability to log in, lag, and consistent ignorance from 3/4 of the player base, I think this is a faster course for a server dying, and in more than 30 games of pserving I've seen this happen far too often. If Cruze doesn't do something soon, instead of saying "blah lag" and bouncing off, I couldn't see myself donating, and a week ago I was seriously considering it. I'm sure I'm not alone. Having the head admin blah and logout over an issue which could be fixed, not really convincing me to donate to keep the server alive.

i agree with you on this point. at the current point of time, there is no harm trying to fix this by downgrading to v61. while ths server was v61, it was completely fine and there was not much lag at all. for now, with the dam lot of players being stuck, consistent lag spikes, scrolls not being able to be used and the massive ammounts of new players spamming smegas asking for pirat job, i'd say the server will crash sooner or later. no offence cruze, but you once said that the server is only using 1/20 of its abilities, so i'm assuming that the server can handle all this. but from what i see, its a totally different story. i was seriously thinking about donating if the server has not enough money by the end of this month, but with the massive lag spikes and other problems, i think i will hold on to my donations just for a while yet. once again, i would like to suggest to you, cruze, please just sttempt to downgrade the server and get everyone to download a new client. i have faith in this server, but please don't let me lose faith in it. i really don't want to find another server. if you're worrying about the population issues, just look at how many maplers came back after so many wipes and crashes. i'm one of them, and im sure thof is one of them as well.

At this point in time, the server's doing alright and the problems seem to have been addressed. For right now v62 is working well. The bags I could say we could go without, we still have smegas either way, and now you have to farm scrolls, way better imo. People can't buy their scrolls.

lagging badly in game currently, decided to make another post here. from what i observed the whole day, there are 2 new causes of lag imo. 1 of them is multipet. multipet is working now, and people will buy 3 pets of the same category and have the big effect. this is equivalent to summoning bags imo. secondly is the massive number of new players. out of the 2000+ population, 925 as of today, are begginers. which means they dont know a single shit about this server, where to max skills and etc. to solve this, i think there should be a guide of this server, and force new players to read before going to victoria island. if theres really such a thing, i would think that anyone who did not read it carefully and asks stupid questions, are jailable. i would once again like to ask cruze to please fix the pirate skill maxer asap. alot of people created a character, got to lvl 10, maxed skills, stuck, and just create another one, which is taking up space. they will not delete the character or whatsoever. i think thats all for now. i really hope the pirate's skill maxer can be fixed.

Ah, you finally came to a point where you mentioned the huge amount of population was a problem. As you said to me, if any of this offends you, please let me know and I'll remove it.

How can making a guide reduce the lag? I mean, lets say there are 900 beginners, if each beginner matches 1 new person playing, that'd total a nice number of 900 new people playing. So, if you made a guide, alright, they wouldn't be beginners and they'd know some more stuff about the server. But they'd still be the 900 new people playing right? the numbers don't change, meaning the lag would continue. If the server's only using 1/20th of its power, like Cruze says it is, and it lags that much, why not using 2/20ths? Population IS a lag causing factor, and that's why I'd like to see a queue system implemented. Something that would only allow around 300 players to be online at once, and if someone went idle for more than 1 hour, that person would be disconnected from the server, giving his/her place to someone else.

I noticed it, many other people also noticed it. The ones in charge seem to be some of the few who can't really notice it. POPULATION IS A LAG CAUSING FACTOR!

And another thing I'd like to argue about are scrolls. WHAT THE FUCK IS UP WITH CLOSING THE SCROLLS SHOP? They lag the server? Ok, RAISE THE PRICES THEN, don't lose the fucking shop so that everyone has to stay with clean equipment... And just so that you know, it weren't the scrolls you forbid players to buy that were causing that shit lag, PIRATE SCROLLS WERE, and you know what? THEY'RE STILL THERE, FOR 1 MESO EACH! I'm not going any deeper on this matter since I'm afraid I can get a little offensive.

I hope you can understand that most of this wasn't being directed to you dahn00b, and I SERIOUSLY hope that Cruze haves a look into this thread.

i totally understand. for the queue system, from what i can see from the website, at any point of time, there will not be more than 250 people online. so if we're gonna set the player cap to 300, there's pretty much no use. but anything lower than 100 will be quite ridiculous, and i'm afraid we'll be losing alot of players, as active players will take up the places pretty fast.

i believe there are alot of disagreements caused for the scroll issue. what i told legendary yesterday was to increase the prices of PIRATE SCROLLS, not to TOTALLY REMOVE NORMAL SCROLLS. but i totally have no idea why the heck did cruze remove normal scrolls, along with dragon stone. due to the removal of dragon stones, even the level 50 necklace silver deputy star will give an overall better stat than horntail necklace. as white scrolls are being removed, there is no way of getting some good equips as well. players are forced to hunt for their scrolls and furthermore it excludes white scrolls. another thing that came to my notice is that gms are allowed to scroll somehow. today chaoticfury was hosting alot of events, and the prizes are all wa21 bwg. i happened to win one of them, and from what i see its +7, meaning he scrolled it. also, courtney was selling wa21 bwg and wa20 scg a while ago, as well as gm-made equips, pricing at 10b each. what i'm curious about is, that why are gms allowed to scroll? as we all know, IF scrolling really causes major lag, why cant the gms just bear with not scrolling first, and give something else as event prizes? i hope cruze will look at this thread, and please at least attempt to fix something.

So, I woke up today, knowing lastnight there was no lag, hoping to get up and play some more. It seems population is a serious defining factor in the lag here. Be it the files Cruze is using can't manage this many players, or it's the server. Now it doesn't take much other than a good upload to handle a maplestory server. If this server's using 1/20th of it's resources, then there's a problem with the files. A week ago this server was fine, what's been changed between then and now I'm not sure. Either way, more and more everyday I'm forced to feel like having to either uninstall Maple or just flat out switch to another server. I figure a lot of players are being patient and loyal dealing with all this lag, lack of ingame items such as scrolls and all that.

This 3 pet deal definitely'll add to lag, but if the server is only at 1/20th of it's load, then 3 pets, scrolls, smegas with avatars, or anything like that shouldn't make a difference.

I'm not really sure what to look for if it needs a hotfix or whatever's wrong, having Cruze not look at this post or just not giving us input doesn't help much. I'd like to chip in to try and resolve the issue however I can, be it coding etc, to which I have limited, but decent C++ and Python coding experience, if it's coded in either of those languages.

Not really sure what to think now, s'pose we'll have to wait on an update from Cruze or just keep flying blind like we are. However I'm not sure how long people are gonna' wanna' put up with constant lagging and disconnects every 20 minutes.

Sicarii wrote:And another thing I'd like to argue about are scrolls. WHAT THE FUCK IS UP WITH CLOSING THE SCROLLS SHOP? They lag the server? Ok, RAISE THE PRICES THEN, don't lose the fucking shop so that everyone has to stay with clean equipment... And just so that you know, it weren't the scrolls you forbid players to buy that were causing that shit lag, PIRATE SCROLLS WERE, and you know what? THEY'RE STILL THERE, FOR 1 MESO EACH! I'm not going any deeper on this matter since I'm afraid I can get a little offensive.

I hope you can understand that most of this wasn't being directed to you dahn00b, and I SERIOUSLY hope that Cruze haves a look into this thread..

I agree, If spamming scrolls are indeed causing lag then instead of closing the scroll shop so people cannot purchase them and have to resort to farming them, They could always drastically increase the price of the scrolls so people can't purchase too many and spam 'em over and over.

same deal with the avatar smegas, If they are causing lag, which it seems like they do if you spam 'em, The price of them should be drastically increased as well, Though at this point of time I don't care if they're available to purchase or not.

i believe there's something wrong with the files. before cruze updated to vahalla v62 there wasn't any shit trace of lag or whatsoever,it was only after the update that caused so much shitty problems. well what we can do now is only to wait for a reply from cruze.

offtopic:wow your timezone is totally different from me, its 4.27am when i posted this.

dahn00b, about that thing of GMs scrolling equips and giving them out in events/selling them, I TOTALLY FUCKING AGREE with it. Yesterday Courtney went on a banning spree, banning people because they were scrolling. What's happening now? What? She's SCROLLING equips and selling them? Oh my god, I can't even believe that! As far as ChaoticFury goes, he told me he had scrolled his BWGs yesterday before we all were forbidden of scrolling. I have no reasons to doubt him.